No more Routines... Any workaround?

Hi everybody… I use to have an automated task on my android phone that is no longer available since routines can’t be created anymore either in the classic or the modern/new app. ( I had to reset the hub and lost everything including my existing routines of course…) I was wondering if there is something else i could do to accomplish the same tasks… Thanks in advance !

Welcome to the community and thanks for posting!

You could create a Virtual Switch and then use that to trigger either a Custom Automation or a Scene in the ‘new’ Samsung SmartThings app.

Then in SharpTools, you would flip the Virtual Switch on whenever you want to run your Custom Automation / Scene.

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Oh my Gosh !! How retarded i am. A virtual switch ! Of course !! Thanks Josh !!!

Well… now another problem arrived… I use to easily trigger routines and other actions from the ST app itself or Webcore… now i’m stuck since since the app(s) don’t provide me with that option anymore and webcore can only trigger a routine? Now what ? :yum:

@Luciano_T thanks for the update. I’m not sure I follow though… WebCoRE can control a Virtual Switch (or have Pistons triggered by one). Make sure you’ve updated your WebCoRE authorizations so it has access to the newly created switch though!

Similarly, you should be able to flip the virtual switch on/off using the SmartThings mobile app… or you could use the virtual switch in a Custom Automation or a Scene. Or if the Virtual Switch is just being used to trigger a Scene (eg. to cause the scene to run), you could just run the Scene directly within the SmartThings app.

ok, here is the thing… Sharptools turns the virtual switch on though i can’t keep the process going as i don’t have an option to trigger the scenes… I can’t find the option in the app ( as i used to )and webcore only executes routines right? I’m stuck ;-(

Webcore can do many things. You don’t say what you’re trying to do in your scene, but you can most likely reproduce what was accomplished by the scene within webCore. I you describe the scene we can maybe provide some insight.

You can use a Custom Automation in the new Samsung SmartThings app to create an automation that is triggered IF the virtual switch is turned on THEN run the desired scene.

WebCoRE can flip the same virtual switch on which you use in the custom automation noted above to run your scene.

Thanks for your help Bry ! It seems like Josh got it on the right track :wink:

You just nailed it Josh… Man what a shame !!! i’m lost using these new apps LOL !!! Thanks a lot !

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Am I missing something? I just created a routine in the classic app without any issues?

As long as you still have the Routines tab available in the SmartThings Classic app, you can create new Routines. :grinning:

Some users have found that if they delete all Routines, then the tab disappears and there’s no way to get it back (unless you reach out to SmartThings support and request they add it back).

Similarly, SmartThings has started prompting some users with a banner in the Classic app that runs a transition/migration to equivalent ‘new’ app features. Among these migrations is a conversion from Routines to Scenes. It’s a one-way migration and Routine functionality gets removed as part of the migration.


Seems today Samsung even disabled the ability to create and edit any routines on the SmartThings Classic App. Not sure if anyone else can confirm.

Hi @GHN1013, welcome to the community.

ST Routine was deprecated since some time last year, and I believe the Routine tab is removed from the classic app if you don’t have any routine. Is there something you are trying to achieve but not able to do so via scene, new app automation or Rule Engine?

I do recall seeing some people reached out to ST support to bring the Routine tab back in the classic app, but I never tried it personally.

Not trying anything new, and I already have lots of Routines already set up on the old Classic, but sometimes I have to re-link devices (like presence sensors) back to the routines which has become out of sync.

I see. You might want to reach out to ST support if they can re-enable Routine tab for you in the classic app or help with the migration.

I do remember seeing the banner to migrate from my Routine to Scene. I didn’t really use any Routine, so I couldn’t tell if the migration went well or not. :grinning:

Thanks. Will try reaching out to ST, although I recall recently they’re already telling people they’re not able to provide much support to the Classic App anymore.

I also heard from many the migration was horrible. I even tried duplicating some of my routines to the automations/scenes on the new app, but the actionable options were much more limited in the new app… so I stuck with the Classic app like many others.

Thanks for the support.

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